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Reply to a Sathya Sai Devotee’s Note re: David and Faye Bailey

Posted by Barry Pittard on November 15, 2009

Recently, because there was the giving of a name and phone number, I replied to a note from one who would part company with the testimony of David and Faye Bailey, of whom I wrote in the recent article. My practice is to reply (usually more briefly than below) – courteously – to those followers who write with apparent sincerity, and not to reply to those who are rude:

David Bailey and Thomas Wiehe. Transcript Of Phone Link: Sathya Sai Abuses

Across many emails from Sathya Sai devotees, as received by our networked group, one sees a regular tendency for the writers to objectify and depersonalize those who are in dissent. The author of the following note is no exception. They fail to acknowledge that those they speak so poorly of were for long among Sathya Sai Baba’s most trusted servitors, and acquitted large responsibilities in the Sathya Sai Organization at large. The automatic assumption of bad faith, disgruntlement and so on is rife among such writers. The phrases “these people” and “not capable of running a chook raffle” used by the woman who wrote the note below and her belittlement of David and Fay Bailey are typical of so many emails we receive. My discussions with dissenters from other authoritarian cults, and comparative readings, indicate the widespread nature of these demeaning types of responses. There is also marked failure to read properly the various evidence that has been very carefully advanced.

The Note:

“I have heard of David and Faye Bailey many years ago
when they took over from Peggy Mason’s Newsletter.
Peggy was a very spiritual soul and as soon as Faye and David took over they started to change things on the Newsletter and were pushing their opinions above what the Newsletter was about in the first place. We could feel the negativity through the Newsletter and stopped subscribing.YOUR CLAIMS ON BABA ARE LUDICROUS! Because your life didn’t go how your wanted, you decided to discredit Baba, especially when David was to play at the Christmas Party there one year. Baba or a doctor arranged for a car to take David to the seaside for his lung condition. He didn’t get to play piano for Baba and has tried to discredit Baba since because Baba didn’t cure his illness. PURELY EGO! The Baileys are not capable of running a chook raffle.
My late husband and I have worked with Baba on the Higher Realms and I can assure you, he is far more powerful than you could imagine!!  DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE”

The Reply

I did not know Peggy and Ron Laing, although I have known those who knew and loved them. In regard to the UK, my understanding is that Ron, Harry Mansbridge and Lucas Ralli, deemed by many to be decent and intelligent men, ended up with quite a deal of disillusionment. Aimee Levy, who was the head of the Sathya Sai Organization in the UK, left, along with his wife, Sandra, deeply concerned at the nature and sheer extent of the allegations. Their reaction, like that of many of us, took a good while to process.

Sathya Sai Baba gave responsibilties to David and Faye Bailey far graver and more extensive than what you refer to as a  “chook raffle”. What is more, a great deal of testimony comes from many around the world, who were for decades deeply respected and loved within the Sai movement, including important leaders who, having investigated (often in their own centres or regions, as our own Terry Gallagher did when head of the Australian Sathya Sai Organization), resigned on a matter of entire principle. Significant numbers have made very probing and careful investigations. I am one of those whom you describe as “those people”. In reality, we have hearts, souls, families, professions and trades. We come from a very wide range of backgrounds. Many Sai devotees have stuck denigrative labels, without carefully looking at issues that relate to proper and democratic requirements of accountability and transparency.

Is not spirituality love in action, especially across divides?

The evidence for the allegations, I am sad to say, is terribly compelling, and keeps on coming after all these decades. The Sathya Sai Organization has long refused to address the concerns of many deeply concerned individuals whom they perfectly well know to have integrity, love and long track records of devotion and service to Sathya Sai Baba. Nor do the facts depend on the word of those whom one may, rightly or wrongly, consider to have acted out of disgruntlement. Many of the testimonies are most harrowing, and some of it has been processed by highly credentialled and experienced abuse professionals.

Whatever the case, may there be –

Love across the great divide,

Barry Pittard


Further Resources

(Late) Ron and Peggy Laing: Deeply Alienated From Sathya Sai Organization

Peggy Mason and Ron Laing [Mason], Sathya Sai Baba. Embodiment of Love, London, Sawbridge, 1982. [3rd ed., Bath, Gateway Books]. Mrs Mason reports that Sathya Sai Baba told her – see the Chapter ‘The Second Coming has Come’ p. 149-160 – that he is the ‘Cosmic Christ’.
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(Late) Ron and Peggy Laing: Deeply Alienated From Sathya Sai Organization

Posted by Barry Pittard on November 14, 2009

Even before the worldwide onslaught of revelations – greatly facilitated by the sudden, dynamic growth of the Internet – of Sathya Baba’s serial and widespread sexual abuse of boys and young men (and other abuses far beyond), well-loved devotees like Ron and Peggy Laing (UK) saw that Sathya Sai Baba’s worldwide organization did not bear fair and reasonable scrutiny. Ron Laing was in the unusual position of being the only non-Indian (at the time) on the Sathya Sai World Council.

It appears that among the Laings’ other grave concerns was the extremely rude and autocratic conduct of the then world head of the Sathya Sai Organization, Indulal Shah. It was the latter who summarily sacked two widely-respected UK organization heads, Lucas Ralli and Aime Levy, simply because they disagreed with him. Summary sacking is much the way in this cult, and spells finis to its claims to being all about light, love and spirituality.

In his article ‘Sociological evidence on the Sathya Sai Organisation’, academic sociologist (University of Oslo) and former head of the Sathya Sai Organization in Norway, Robert Priddy, has written:

“On my visit to the highly-respected Peggy Mason of The Embodiment of Love, and her husband and co-author, Ron Laing in UK in 1987, Ron spent most of two hours telling me in detail of his negative experiences on the World Council and in the Sathya Sai Organization, strongly criticising it and not least Mr. Indulal Shah. After resigning from it, Ron Laing wrote, in the Spring 1988 edition of Peggy Mason’s ‘Sathya Sai Baba – quarterly magazine’, as follows:

‘Organisation has been the bane and pollution of all world religions. How can administrators and bureaucrats not fail to misinterpret and travesty the teachings of the great mystics who have founded the world religions and who have not been able to embody their spiritual insights into limited human language? There is bound to be distortion, misunderstanding and man-made theology. In my opinion, with man’s growing consciousness, this is why the age of churches is dying out, and the age of spiritual truth is emerging.

It is vital to understand that in the Sai Movement the Organisation is quite separate from the Divine Mission. This is why Swami has recently said: “Those who are organisation-minded are those who do not understand the meaning of love. They continue to believe in reports and organisational detail, none of which is important.” Love knows no rules. There is room for freelancers and individuals in the Sai Movement’ “. 


Peggy Mason and Ron Laing [Mason], Sathya Sai Baba. Embodiment of Love, London, Sawbridge, 1982. [3rd ed., Bath, Gateway Books]

Mrs Mason reports that Sathya Sai Baba told her – see the Chapter ‘The Second Coming has Come’ p. 149-160 – that he is the ‘Cosmic Christ’


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Petition For Official Investigation Into Sathya Sai Baba Cult

Posted by Barry Pittard on July 10, 2009

Public Petition For Official Investigations of Sathya Sai Baba and His Worldwide Organization

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Sathya Sai Baba’s Followers Face Alienation In Their Wider Communities

Posted by Barry Pittard on April 4, 2009

Among those who defame and libel former devotees who have stood forth (indeed who have done so at considerable personal sacrifice) is the deputy chairman of the Sathya Sai Baba Organization, Dr G. Venkataraman. See:

Sathya Sai Baba’s ‘Minister of Propaganda’ – Dr G. Venkataraman

Indian Nuclear Scientist Now Sai Baba’s Global Radio Chief

Sathya Sai Baba’s Deputy Head, Dr G. Venkataraman, Speaks of “Mr Idi Amin”

The Declaring of Non Persons and Annihilation of Personal History

There were earlier leaders – very nice men! Such as Harry Mansbridge, Ron Laing, Lucas Ralli – all of them significantly disillusioned. One who was tenacious in following up reported cases of anomaly and betrayal was the Australian head, Terry Gallagher, who eventually resigned on a matter of highest principle. Lucas Ralli was told in great detail about the Sai Baba abuse-suicide case of Keith Ord but was in deep psychological denial. See the tragic Keith Ord story, Times of London: Monday August 27, 2001. Three die after putting faith in guru. By Dominic Kennedy -: “The Times has learnt that three Britons have apparently taken their lives after placing hope in India’s most popular holy man”.  

More recently, an important former UK Sathya Sai Organization leader, Aime Levy, has had awakenings but has not wished to make these public.

However, there are many in the Sathya Sai Organization who suppress a palpable  fact:  namely, that many of those who have left it, having investigated the allegations – particularly in their own Sai centers – were held in high esteem for decades. This is one of the facts that people like Goldstein, Venkatarman, Moreno (see below) and other cultists are bent upon obscuring.

These continuing Sai Baba center members have allowed themselves, year after year, to be party to defamation of many former devotees by the core leaders, and by Internet defamers – chiefly Gerald Moreno with whom some of them league closely (e.g., the slightly less-than-official group) – which has been echoed all the way down the leadership hierarchy.  See:  Gerald “Joe” Moreno on Wikipedia, and refutation of his allegations against Robert Priddy.

Moreno began his activity in earnest against practically any individual who criticized his idol, Sathya Sai Baba. By reference to the Internet Wayback Machine, a likely candidate for focused commencement of this activity is: 31 Mar 2009, at 19:28. Highly qualified, independent lawyers in three countries have stated emphatically that Moreno’s many defamations, and acting on them by intruding into community settings, jobs and professions in a number of countries and attacking individuals and families, are highly actionable. But who can afford the time, energy and money? He plays on this restrictive factor and the fact is that the Internet is a sort of Wild West for the unscrupulous and sociopathic. Furthermore, some former devotees have not been in favour of legal recourse if it were encompassable – for what they deem to be spiritual reasons:  e.g., ‘take not thy brother to court’ …

Dereliction of Duty of Care: Some Key Sai Baba Leaders 

Top leaders from around the world who have:

  • Ignored the afflicted individuals and families and
  • Hidden vital facts from many rank-and-file devotees include: 

Michael Goldstein, John (Jack) Hislop, Indulal Shah, William Harvey, Bob Bozzani, Hal Honig,  Jagadeesan, Ashok Bhagani, Thorbjørn Meyer, Steen Piculell, Leonardo Gutter,  T.Sri Ramanathan, Pal Dhall, Bernard Gruber, Pietro Marena,  Jörgen Möllgård, Richard Friedrich, John Behner.  

(Note the incredible top-heaviness of males in the Sathya Sai hierarchy!).

Sathya Sai Baba Sect Alienates Wider Communities

As the siftings and sortings of both documentary and psychological history portray themselves, it will be to their lasting shame that so many Sai devotees have stifled their consciences and commonsense.

As the Sathya Sai Organization has only too potently seen, ever wider political, civic, religious, academic institutions now shy away from them when the sect attempts to gain outreach in communities around the world. In regard to the Hindu community, see the note to me from one of the most notable Hindus in his country:  Sathya Sai Baba: ‘Considerable Concern’ In Wider Hindu Community

There has been a huge effort by former devotees to bring to international attention the facts relating to:

Further Reading

Robert Priddy  (former longtime head of the Sathya Sai Organization, Norway. Retired academic of University of Oslo)

Sathyasaibaba scales up hate attacks on critics

Sathya Sai’s Dato Jegathesan and smear campaigns

UK Sathya Sai Organization’s false propaganda

Terroist-related Slurs Used By Sai Baba Internet Fanatic

Sai Baba Hatchet Man Picks On A Young Child

Sai Baba Internet Man – No Apology When Caught Using Anti-Semitism Slur

Sai Baba Proxy Attacker of Ex-followers and the Media

Proxy Defender of Sai Baba and SWARA

Barry Pittard (Former Lecturer, Sri Sathya Sai College, Whitefield)

Sai Baba. Some Dissenting Themes and Resources

Cultic Depersonalization or Demonization of Dissenters

Some Key Cultic Responses To Critics

Sathya Sai Baba World Cult Leaders Fail To Meet Concerns on Libel

Sathya Sai Baba Organization and Libel and Disinformation

Sathya Sai Baba Cult. Blind Eye To Massive Slander

Dissent From Guru Cults Draws Slander and Harassment

Sathya Sai Baba Organization’s Betrayal of Love and Compassion

Sathya Sai Organization Libels Those Who Have Left It

Sathya Sai Baba and his Organization Permit Attacks On Ex-followers

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