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Sick and Ailing Sathya Sai Baba 85. His Promises to Look Young Have Failed

Posted by Barry Pittard on November 24, 2010

That age has its physical and mental ravages is not the point here.  Who is not privy to these? …. To which Shakespeare’s Hamlet refers in his famous soliloquy – … “The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to.”  The only point here is that Sathya Sai Baba has made demonstrably unreal and false statements in regard to prophecies about his own physical state.

At his 60th birthday, Sathya Sai Baba foretold that he would not physically age. But now look! And compare the various older photos with those only of the last days.

The newspaper Eenadu is the largest circulated Telugu newspaper in Andhra Pradesh (the State where Sathya Sai Baba lives), and claims a daily readership of over 10 million. (See my article: Sathya Sai Baba’s Slurred Speech Due To Old Age. ‘Eenadu’ News Report). Eenadu reported at the time of the last birthday:

“Lacking in Clarity: There was a lack of clarity in Satya Sai’s speech because of his old age. The interpreter struggled much to translate his speech into English. Satya Sai was seated in a special wheel chair which was brought very close to the car, so he could very slowly get into it. At the time of the speech, he stood up with great difficulty with the help of his assistants”.

Though, with what absurd self-deception, he has said:

“The attributes of the Avatars are beyond human comprehension…. Rama and Krishna were ever youthful. Have you ever seen a picture of Rama or Krishna with grey hair?….. Usually old people have wrinkles on their faces … I do not have any signs of old age. (loud applause). There is not a single wrinkle on My face”. Sanathana Sarathi October, 2002

“I do not suffer from any kind of disease because there is no trace of greed in Me. That is why I am always healthy…” Sanathana Sarathi September 2001, page 257f, 186

“Many people wonder that I look so young even at the age of 73. The reason is that I have the three P’s in Me. One is Purity, the second is Patience and the third is Perseverance. It is because of these three that I shall remain like this for any number of years to come. (cheers)” p. 302 Sanathana Sarathi, 11-1998

Sai Baba recently claimed he always smiles - but nowadays only this!
“Purity, patience and perseverance. With these three you are bound to acquire good health and bliss. You may believe it or not. But the truth is that these three are responsible for my health (Arogya) and bliss (Ananda)” (Sanathana Sarathi July 1995, p. 173)

60th Birthday Promise Of Not Physically Ageing – Falsified!

Our reports from Puttaparthi from reliable sources include that he has bouts that disclose mental difficulties.

In his public discourse March 13, 2002, he told thousands that his divine magnetism holds him to the ground, impeding his feet and hand movements:

“So when I put My foot down, the whole foot stuck to the ground. It is a little hard to lift a foot that is stuck. Wherever I walk, it sticks there. Whatever is held, it sticks to My (sic) hand. This magnet is not in everyone like this. This magnet is so powerful only in Divinity.”

Former co-founder and leader of the Norwegian Sathya Sai Organization, Robert Priddy has written:

“In 1998 V.K. Narasimhan (editor of Sanathana Sarathi) told me that Sathya Sai Baba had told him definitively that he had not had his hair cut for 20 years! However, photos taken of Sathya Sai Baba through that period show clearly that (around 1993/4?) his hair was suddenly seen to be about 1/3 or less of the volume it normally had. Then it slowly grew out again. I was present at the ashram at that time and observed this closer crop of his hair. So Sathya Sai Baba can tell his followers anything he likes, whether true or not, accurate or not, and get away with it! There have been any number of photos showing Sathya Sai Baba before and after a haircut (though this fact is never mentioned by devotees, of course. The condition of his thinning hair in 2010 is shown here. Even from these photos, all taken within a few years after 2004, one can see that his hair has been trimmed, fashioned etc. It is claimed too by Indian skeptics that he dyes his hair to keep it black, as he once predicted it would always be, and that he suffers from a bad skin condition as a result”.

Sathya Sai Baba’s Deceptive Hair Management

 

In Februry 2007, I made a note:  “the Australian scholar Brian Steel’s remark of February 2002 seems almost prescient:

‘Since the ‘discrepancies’ appear to be increasing nowadays, is there any possibility that Sai Baba is suffering from a degenerative ageing disease which might have an effect on his thinking and speaking?’

Likewise, in October 2002, a Swedish psychologist and former devotee, Åsa Samsioe, noting physical signs of Sai Baba’s ageing like his development of a ’turkey throat’ and also the “low intellectual level” of his discourses, remarked:

‘He must have one heck of a job, Sathya Sai Baba… it can’t be easy to age in his situation, besides being under so much criticism as he has recently been… not surprising that it leaves its marks. Occasionally I think ‘poor man’… feel some pity for him. A whole life built on lies… captured by the myth about himself… to be the object of the projections of millions… and to be forced , at least outwardly, to live up to all the expectations put to him… to always have to have all those people around him’. http://home.no.net/anir/Sai/enigma/Swede4.htm

It is just under a decade since Sai Baba informed devotees all round the world that his aircraft is about to take off to bring his mission to the whole world. But the runway, like his own imagination, would seem to have run away on him. He turned 81 last November (though evidence indicates that he has falsified his actual birthdate by three years). Here, in his own words, in almost in full flight, is yet another of his myriad failed predictions:

‘Swami’s mission has made this turn to face the runway. The 70th birthday was the signal from the tower to accelerate. In the 75th birthday, the airplane will leave the ground’.

Further Reading

Call for media and government investigation of Sathya Sai Baba

Amid a great deal of ostentatious and wasteful pomp in a country wracked by poverty, squalor and corruption, Sathya Sai Baba celebrates his 85th birthday.  See:

Sathya Sai Baba – the Indian Government’s God Incarnate

Posted by robertpriddy on November 23, 2010 (NEW!)

Sathya Sai Baba 85th Birthday: state of India (NEW!)

Posted by robertpriddy on November 21, 2010

Puttaparthi Sai Baba Celebrates 85th Birthday (NEW!)

Posted by Barry Pittard on November 22, 2010

Sathya Sai Baba’s Slurred Speech Due To Old Age. ‘Eenadu’ News Report

Sathya Sai Baba Tells Untruths About His Health

When Disasters Overtake S. Sai Baba’s Promises

Sathya Sai Baba Is Fast-ailing

Sai Baba Fails to Grant Great Moon Darshan

Sai Baba Fails To Appear In The Moon, IANS Reports

Is Indian ‘Godman’ Sai Baba’s Moon Waning Still Further

Sai Baba Sparks Political Furore

The Golden Age of Sai Baba

Will World Accept Sathya Sai Baba? He Says Yes. Very Soon

The Ageless 'Avatar' Ageless – Old ‘Avatars’ never die, but merely fade away

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Puttaparthi Sai Baba Celebrates 85th Birthday

Posted by Barry Pittard on November 22, 2010

Sathya Sai Baba: Incredible Pomp In Poverty-Stricken IndiaGolden Glitter For Sai Baba's 83rd Birthday

 

On 23 November, 2010, devotees from around the world celebrate Sathya Sai Baba’s 85th birthday. Their consciences need to be challenged. They can be asked:  How can they lend themselves to such wasteful displays of pomp and ceremony? How can those of them who have so cruelly rejected their once dearly beloved fellow devotees, whom they knew over decades to be good and decent human beings, proclaim that they are, as Sai worshipers, devotees of Truth, Love and Right Action? How can those Indian government and other dignitaries, whom we know to have been apprised in detail of the many worldwide allegations against Sai Baba, look at themselves and their families with any honesty? Below is a minute list of powerful political figures and celebrities who have used their name and fame to buttress up Sathya Sai Baba, irrespective of probing investigations by e.g., the BBC.  See: 

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 For those prepared to look at a number of alternative views of how Sathya Sai Baba continues to bring India, in an aura of shame, to the notice of the world, the following is but the briefest selection of resources.

First Published : 19 Nov 2010 03:32:24 AM IST
Last Updated : 19 Nov 2010 11:11:31 AM IST

“President Pratibha Patil will attend  the birthday celebrations on Friday. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh be present at the Satya Sai University’s convocation on November 22. However, his tour was not yet finalised. The President will arrive in Puttaparti by 11.30 am in a special flight on November 19. Later she will address a women’s meet to be organised by the Eswaramma Mahila Samkshema Trust at Sai Kulawanth hall. After lunch, the President will leave for Delhi at 2.30 p.m. Prasanthi Nilayam is geared up for the visit of the VVIPs and the roads are teeming with devotees. Elaborate arrangements have been madefor the one lakh devotees expected on November 23. Around 120 free Annadanam counters would be opened at Puttaparti and Dharmavaram railway stations”.

 

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Sai Baba 85th Birthday: state of India (Just posted!)

Posted by robertpriddy on November 21, 2010

The Golden Age of Sai Baba  (Just posted!)

Posted by robertpriddy on November 21, 2010 

85th Birthday: Golden Age, Prema Sai Baba

Posted by robertpriddy on November 20, 2010

Golden Throne of India’s Sathya Sai Baba. He says he will Rule the world soon

Posted by Barry Pittard on November 22, 2009

Sathya Sai Baba Birthday. Brian Steel Examines Birthdate Issue

Posted by Barry Pittard on November 22, 2009

Sathya Sai Baba Topic On CNN-IBN – on his 81st birthday

Posted by Barry Pittard on November 24, 2009

Sathya Sai Baba 84th Birthday Celebrations. Will 21st Century India Tolerate The Shame That Is Puttaparthi?

Sai Baba’s Imperial 83rd Birthday Celebrations Photo, Puttaparthi, India

See photos of some of the luxurious venues where the International Sathya Sai Organization – at times hard-pressed for funds in the face of constant public exposure in the media and on the Internet etc., – conducts its recruiting.

Sai Baba Exchequer Worth Billions. Many Countries Donate

Sai Baba’s Birthday. Vast, Costly Pomp and Ceremony

Sai Baba, Citizen Kane, Bill Gates, Et Alia

Sathya Sai Baba Video. Too Weak To Cut Birthday Cake

India’s ‘Emperor’ Sai Baba. By His Lavish Spending Ye Shall Know Him

When Disasters Overtake S. Sai Baba’s Promises

‘World Avatar’ Sathya Sai Baba’s Troubled Trail

World Hindu’ by 2030. VHP’s Singhal Reports Sathya Sai Baba Told Him

Sai Baba No Shiva. Gold From His Gut Is Regurgitator’s Trick

See how the BBC cameras catch out the Shiva pretendu. 

Sathya Sai Baba’s Gross Exaggerations of Puttaparthi Crowd Numbers

‘Secret Swami’ Cult Recruits At Prime Public Venues

Major Downturn of Foreigners Visiting Sai Baba At Puttaparthi

QUOTES

The Golden Age of The World Sai Kingdom Is At Hand.  That gold is now flashing more than Disneyland-like at Puttaparthi, as thousands swarm around the golden honey-pot that he has created for the occasion of his 83rd birthday.

“The success of the task for which I have come will very soon reverberate throughout the world!”
Sathya Sai Speaks, Vol XIV, p. 278. 1979

“I do not need grand decorations, huge pandals, arches, flags and such paraphernalia … Even a chair is superfluous! … Spend sparing to the minimum needs; do not involve yourselves in expensive luxury. I would like you to spend any extra money that you have for the feeding of the poor or for any similar beneficial object.” Sathya Sai Speaks, Vol VII, p. 100

Sanghvi, Vir, ‘The Truth about Sathya Sai Baba’, The Hindustan Times (Counterpoint), 25 November 2006.
A highly critical article on the occasion of Sathya Sai Baba’s 80th birthday.

 In his ‘An Annotated Bibliography for Research on Sathya Sai Baba
(in Three Parts)’ http://bdsteel.tripod.com/More/SSB/sbresearchbib2_Copy_1.htm , Brian Steel notes:

Shailaja, M. Seetha
1. ‘Is the Sai Baba’s empire beginning to disintegrate?’, 29 November 2000, www.saiguru.net/english/media/001129tehelka.htm
The preamble to the article inspired by Sathya Sai Baba’s lavish 75 th Birthday celebrations states: “There is no doubt that the low turnout at his birthday celebrations were an indication of the Sai Baba’s falling clout as a result of charges of child sexual abuse and the inexorable flaking away of his worldwide empire.” Other instances of journalistic hype include a reference to 37 million followers and “It is common knowledge that … mafia dons alike are given immediate audience with the Sai Baba and move around freely within the ashram even when the police are around.”
Note: This and another two articles by the same author have been archived on Steven Hassan’s website:
1. http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/s/sathya/, under the Link ‘Sathya Sai Baba: The Avatar Impostor’.
2. ‘Sathya Sai Central Trust: Grab as grab can’. [Recovered from: http://web.archive.org/web/20050910004228/http://www.saiguru.net/english/media/001129grab.htm%5D This short article alleges that “The principal architects of the trust are now reportedly worried about the plummeting devotee numbers and even more desultory recruitment rate (see Is the Sai Baba’s empire beginning to disintegrate? ). They have suggested to the Sai Baba that he should travel abroad and hold sessions with devotees to kill rumours and counter increasingly murky publicity. (The Sai Baba has been abroad only once, to Uganda).” 
 

Robert Priddy – former long time head of Sathya Sai Organization, Norway – at his blogsite Sathya Sai Baba Deceptions Exposed

Ageing and collapse in Sai Baba’s health

Sai Baba’s health – miracle or self-sacrifice?

Sai Baba says his close servants live for 100 years

Sathya Sai miracle of transformation of India?

Sai Baba’s failing health

Sathya Sai Baba’s claims of financial poverty, non-ownership and self-sacrifice

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Public Petition For Official Investigations of Sathya Sai Baba and His Worldwide Organization 

There is a Spanish version available: 

PETICIÓN PÚBLICA PARA ”INVESTIGACIONES OFICIALES DE SATHYA SAI BABA Y SU ORGANIZACIÓN A NIVEL MUNDIAL 

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  • BBC’s ‘The Secret Swami’ and British Press Praise
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  • BBC Cameras Catch Sai Baba Cheating With Gold Sivalingam. (Film Clip)
  • BBC Footage Exposes Fake Sathya Sai Baba Miracle
  • BBC Footage Still Potent In Exposing Sathya Sai Sect (See Video Clips and Secret Swami Documentary)
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    Sathya Sai Baba and the Law. Is A Real Pro-Con Discussion Possible?

    Posted by Barry Pittard on August 5, 2010

    This post relates to my previous one:  Why Have Ex-Devotees Not Landed Sathya Sai Baba In Jail? – Posted by Barry Pittard on July 31, 2010. Implicit is the hope that the articulate enquirer who first wrote to this site is not – although separate data indicates that he is Sathya Sai Baba devotee – an apparatchik working hand-in-glove with the Sathya Sai Organization. After all, many who have approached us were once in the role of enquirer. Some took a year or more before they were able to transit from the position of troubled devotees to one in which they, having seriously investigated, saw the substance of various kinds of allegations against Sathya Sai Baba and his key servitors. My reader will, I think, quickly get a gist of the correspondence. 

    As can be seen from the post cited above, I first requested that the writer of the email sent to this blogsite confirm the email status. I then wrote some points, along with links I thought may help elucidate the writer’s query. The reply was remarkably brief, and I have written the following, in the wish to test the person’s sincerity, and see whether any further correspondence may prove all too one-sided to my own disfavor. The person wrote: 

    Dear Mr. Pittard:
     

    I am a seeker of truth; not a candidate for persuasion. My focus is narrow and singular. I would like to see a summary  (with citations and references) of the difficulties you are encountering in having this matter heard in any court. I will then do my own research checking the cited and referenced works and arriving at my own conclusions. This is my path to truth discovery. 

    I have today emailed:

    You note that you are a seeker of truth. I may mention that many of those who have left Sathya Sai Baba – on the basis of a variety of issues – have also been, for many decades, distinguished by this very characteristic.   

    This status is a fact that many Sathya Sai Baba devotees know only too well. However, in relationship to it, they have taken the recourse of the fabled ostrich. In short, stood aside and, since circa 2000, allowed their long-time, once much-beloved brothers and sisters to be shockingly defamed, libeled and unconscionably attacked, sometimes on a daily basis.

    You have come to me. I welcomed you to continue to do so, provided a civility. You stated “What has aroused my interest is the fact that you have assembled such an abundance of allegations against Sathya Sai Baba, yet you seem unable to proceed to have these tested in a court of law. My question is: “Why?””    

    Ever in hope that principled enquirers of real acuity will appear, I then went to some effort to provide you with a number of readings. These I hoped would go some way to provide a perspective that might furnish a proper answer to your query. The matter is not simple and requires concentrated reading. It is one suggestive that the legal issue is not the sole crucial one, and, taken on its own, can be systemically misleading.  

    In addition to those links I provided for you, I may now add the excellently organized Index page of former long-serving head of the Norwegian Sathya Sai Organization: Robert Priddy http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/index.html. There is also his very well laid-out resource: ‘Sex Abuse Testimony’ – http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/6/index.html.    

    Mind you, the evidence goes, sadly, far beyond these references, a great deal of it carefully kept away from the ‘wild west’ that, all too often, is the internet.    

    Perhaps politeness is not entirely out of fashion, but you have yet to acknowledge my provision of the resources I have sent you, although perhaps you first wish to go through them. Should you do that job, I may feel persuaded that you are ready to research objectively as possible, and treat us in amicable fashion. You may even begin to see that we are not, and never were, the “Judases”, “demons”, “liars”, “disgruntled”, and so forth – which are but some of the many derisive epithets with which we have been so constantly and sorely labeled.    

    In past cases, those competent enquirers who have shown integrity and courtesy are then trusted to have contact with articulate, and professional former devotees. For example, those along our extensive network who are distinguished in the health professions, and who are well apprised of a number of illustrative cases. Sometimes, this process resolves itself on a local, state or national basis. Sometimes, long time friends, colleagues, etc., are reunited, and misunderstandings cleared out of the way.    

    I should quickly point out that our dealings with lawyers would not, at this early stage of our contact, if ever, lend to your wish to “see a summary  (with citations and references) of the difficulties you are encountering in having this matter heard in any court”. Would not the Sathya Sai Organization be delighted to obtain an order of battle too loosely slipped from our hands?    

    I mention also that, in the majority of cases, contact with individuals and families whose lives have been shattered is now not accessible, even though some in the past have attempted to share their accounts. The attacks to which they have been subjected is appalling. Nevertheless, there is a great wealth of writings on this internet by competent writers I have mentioned to you in my previous email, and many others who have the heart but not always quite the command of words.    

    Sir, I posed a question to you, to which you have not responded. I asked:  “Is it, by the way, possible that you, or those whose perceptions you cite, have a notion that prosecuting or litigating in regard of many kinds of grave injustice have a clear trajectory, even in advanced democracies?”    

    In regard to the answering of questions, it may go well if this were to be a two-way correspondence.    

    The establishment of good faith would, I think, entail that you, with a Sathya Sai Baba affiliation, are not just trying to lead me on, gleaning our hard-won information via your notably brief emails – whilst in effect, not really listening to anything. I pray it is not so. 

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    The Public Petition

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    About the Petition For Official Investigation Into Sathya Sai Baba Cult 

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    Robert Priddy On Jaani Drucker, As Sathya Sai Baba Cultist In Denial

    Posted by Barry Pittard on May 12, 2010

    Robert Priddy has just blogged the article:  Jaani Drucker – wild claims not supported by her actions , Posted by robertpriddy on May 11, 2010. He refers to my series quoting and commenting on correspondence between Jaani Drucker and myself:    

    Exchanges of views on how rape and sexual abuse affect the real person or whether they merely affect the body, as is held by rape victim Jaani Drucker.
    Reply To Claimer of Enlightenment (Yaani Drucker Correspondance) Part 2
    Jaani Drucker continually responds to neither to the spirit or the letter of her claim that ” happy to discuss and debate issues” rather flatly rejecting all points on the ground that she knows the ultimate truth.
    Reply To Claimer of Enlightenment (Jaani Drucker Correspondance) Part 3
    Jaani Drucker evades Pittard’s contention that those who have had such traumatic experiences need to reach out to an experienced, qualified profession, and that, in terms of public health outcomes, it is a dangerous undertaking to recommend a course of action which relies on faith or notions of enlightenment alone.
    Pittard reminds that Jaani Drucker is very evasive on questions she promised to debate openly – instead promoting a self-enhancing narrative about spiritual realization.
    Reply To Claimer of Spiritual Enlightenment (Yaani Drucker Correspondence) Part 5
    Her many failures of reasoning, and her slips, slides and evasions, evident to commonsense and logic, abound here, and are dealt with
    Who can distinguish between those like Jaani who claim realization? How can one get around to testing the plethora of claims? However, there is a body of clinical experience which DOES have testability in application to trauma, and this is being applied day in and day out in hospitals and clinics throughout the world.
    Analyzing the belief put forth by Jaani Drucker which Pittard holds is dangerous to vulnerable survivors of rape etc. as supporting a flight into denial. Parents and mental health professionals would never agree with Drucker’s claims.
     
    Robert Priddy’s words (below) apply just as well to many who defend not only Sathya Sai Baba but other charismatic figures who have been soundly exposed for egregious, and sometimes criminal, misconduct, and for blatant discrepancy between their teachings and practice. Mind you, Jaani Drucker is in one respect different to most other cultists; for she states that she is fully enlightened. Alas for her, she unconsciously and sharply undermines any such notion by her styles of interaction. Her walls of denial are thick, and her skin is thin. Robert Priddy says:

    “That is what she cannot abide, being questioned radically, so she avoids answering the really sensitive points, complaining instead. These reactions show her to be disturbed by any criticism;  no doubt she wants to carry on but escape the consequences of her support for Sathya Sai Baba in all things, and simply brush aside critical comments as not founded in her supposed ‘Truth’”.

    A number of those who read and wrote to me about the correspondence (some from professional areas including Psychology) remarked on a recurrent quality of narcissism in her responses, and a veering away from questions that in any way challenged her beliefs. Also oft remarked was her tendency to wrench out-of-context what had been clearly stated. Again, these tendencies are very marked in cultic reactions to even the most courteous of critical questioning.

    It is of great concern (and former devotees well-known to the Drucker’s give compelling first-hand testimony) that the Druckers have turned their backs on families and individuals who give harrowing accounts of sexual and other abuses by Sathya Sai Baba. 

    Robert Priddy writes:

    “Al Drucker admitted – when pressed – to the former Central Coordinator of the UK Sathya Sai Organization, that many parents had complained to him of sexual abuse by Sai Baba while Drucker was resident at the ashram. Jaani is no doubt also well aware that Sai Baba has escaped justice only because the entire Indian system of corrupt topmost politicians and judges who worship him have protected him from all accountability! This is part of the body of lies the Druckers prefer to condone, supposedly to protect their Truth, which would need not protection or even promotion if it really were that immutable and powerful”.

    I have written of Drucker’s dereliction of duty of care elsewhere:

    Will the Real Professor Alvin Drucker Be Upstanding?

    I have written of his wife Jaani Drucker’s attempt to have me remove what I had written:

    Reply To Yaani (“Have Truth, Will Travel”) Drucker’s Request To Remove Blog Articles

    Robert Priddy writes further: 

    “frank and open truthfulness from the Druckers on the sexual abuse issue would be welcome… but they evidently discriminate against those “brothers” who are no longer in the so-called ‘Sai family’. Not least it would help assuage the feelings of the offended persons whom they know to be speaking the truth about their awful experiences. It would also be fair to many of us who we have all reason based on massive, impelling testimony to accept they were so treated by Sai Baba… and not least also for his own sexual satisfaction!”

     Further Reading

    The Ways of the Mind – on the issue by a Swedish psychologist

    Swedish psychologist Åsa Samsioe challenges Jaani Drucker’s self-perception, and gives a view of self-deception as self-deception

    Strawberry Fields Forever? plus comments on Jaani & advaitic doctrine

    The Spiritual Search – a philosophical analysis of advaitic solipsism and social narcissism

    Jaani Drucker: ‘the Ego’ misunderstood and self-nihilation

     In denying flat out that the ego and entire world are real, Jaani Drucker implies that she herself is unreal, while in fact she is real but totally unrealistic… following Sai Baba, she wants everyone to annihilate their egos and minds!

    Barry Pittard Replies To Sathya Sai Center Rape Survivor’s Note To Him

    Pittard points out how the Druckers still extol Sathya Sai Baba, yet they know crucial facts about many of his alleged sexual abuses.

    Jaani Drucker, The Truth, open inquiry and truthfulness

    Examination of some of Jaani Drucker’s claims about herself, Sathya Sai Baba

    Advaita – historical flight into abstraction and speculation

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    The Public Petition   

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    About the Petition For Official Investigation Into Sathya Sai Baba Cult

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    Reply To Claimer of Spiritual Enlightenment (Yaani Drucker Correspondence) Part 5

    Posted by Barry Pittard on February 28, 2010

    Continuing from:  Reply To Claimer of Spiritual Enlightenment (Yaani Drucker Correspondence) Part 4 …. , my response to Yaani Drucker, who claims on her website to be enlightened, and to “Have truth, will travel”. She wrote to me that:

    “I am happy to discuss and debate issues. I have responded to every issue you raised”.

    Really? On the one hand, Ms Drucker – without, it must happily be said, resorting to the nastiness of so much correspondence that former devotees have long received from continuing devotees – has kept in touch. That individuals can so exchange is a considerable value in itself, and one which the Sathya Sai Organization have singularly failed to enjoin. What she does share with so many other Sai Baba apologists is the tendency to jump to conclusions that are simply not true. Many former devotees HAVE had much attention from Sathya Sai Baba. They DID get interviews. They were NOT disgruntled. Many were noted in the Sai devotee community – often for many decades – as highly motivated and deeply dedicated. The Druckers and so many others do former devotees great dishonor. To her credit, Yaani speaks. But where is Al Drucker. He has been silent for so many years, and is widely perceived to have turned his back on various parents and others who have come to him in heart-rending circumstances. 

    Given the compellingness of the allegations, many who have quit Sathya Sai Baba know that it is an ethical citizen’s duty not to be part of any cover up. Ms Drucker shows no evidence of any purposive clicking on the links (those that appear in this series). She does not stop to consider that many who are now former devotees once reacted like she does. It has been a journey of great inner torment BUT, for some at least a time of deeper growth and compassion. The evidence for Sathya Sai Baba’s (and some of his servitors’) abuses are very great. She says “Al and I are both fairly intelligent, not so easily bamboozled”. What she fails to see is that many former devotees, too, can make the same claim (although, in modesty or in avoidance of begging the question, they may not indeed wish to!). The other day she wrote:

    “You are not holding the big picture, you who have been a professor in His university. I try to understand what would motivate you to become constricted in your vision? Perhaps you did not receive direct attention from Swami, so you are disgruntled? Or you for whatever reason did not experience His omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence in your personal life. Al and I both have countless examples from our personal lives to draw on, therefore we do not question Baba’s divinity, nor his inscrutable ways. Al and I are both fairly intelligent, not so easily bamboozled”.

    However, readers who appreciate norms of language, logic and sticking to points raised will see clearly that Ms Drucker veers (not at all, I think, meaning to be dishonest) away from issues put to her. She also reveals a strong tendency to assume that her view of strange events in the presence of Sathya Sai Baba must be the correct one.  Absolutist thinking is going on here. In fact, the state of scientific knowledge DOES allow us to make eminently reasonable alternative interpretations of what Ms Drucker takes to be inviolable truths (a word for which Ms Drucker’s views would surely require a capital ‘T’). She writes:

    “I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Sai Baba knows He is not his body. Once a young man from Sweden requested Baba’s permission to give Baba a hug. When Baba obliged and the young man wrapped his arms around Baba’s torso, his arms wrapped around an empty robe  – there was no body to make contact with. I met this man personally. Once in an interview I was touching Baba’s feet. He turned abruptly away in displeasure, because I had asked Him to take Al back, yet His feet did not move with the rest of His body. This would have been impossible had he not transcended nature’s laws in that moment. These are a few of many examples where Baba demonstrates that He clearly manipulates the laws of physical reality, because He can.  If He has these powers, He is certainly not driven by personality disorders, but rather does all that he does for the highest good for all, in the most efficacious manner possible”.

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    Yaani Drucker’s email comments and Barry Pittard’s responses

    Al and I were black listed after we married. That means we have had nothing to do with the Sai organization since 1990 or rather the Sai organization has had nothing to do with us.

    I’ve long known various serious aspirants who, though they have greatly loved Sathya Sai Baba, felt a great sigh of relief when he guided them to do their own practices, without recourse to the Sathya Sai Organization. He says that it is THE divine organization on earth, and that through it he will save the world, mostly in his own lifetime. He had better hurry his steps. Despite his statement on his sixtieth birthday, he has aged badly, makes terrible blunders, and our reports indicate that he sometimes sits and weeps, mutters away inanely, walks round in circles, and so on. Many of his prophecies have proved wrong, and his promised cures not eventuated. See: Sathya Sai Baba, 83. Health Critical. Some Key Links . Huge Sai Baba Gaffes .

    We have occasionally and sporadically been invited to be guest speakers, in a private rather than official capacity. Al is one pointedly focused on Advaita Vedanta. My approach to truth is through the teaching of Sai Baba and of A Course In Miracles, which helped me to understand and deal with my rape experience. While Al continues to receive recognition and adulation as a prominent Sai devotee, my experience has been rather the opposite. Sometimes I am invited to functions, but it is likely just a courtesy, as I am the great Al Drucker’s wife. I was essentially shunned at the ashram as the seductress who stole Al Drucker from Sai Baba.

    I am reminded of one after another of these kinds of occasions. It is such a scenario:  Situations are trumped up; facts are cruelly twisted; both the targets and the other devotees tell themselves “it’s all Baba’s leela’/test of faith”, etc., many devotees straightway believe the worst of people who they have known for years to be sterling individuals and loving co-workers; there is the utmost shunning; dearest friends of colleagues suddenly drop off; and so on …. Painful stuff! Though the enlightenment you claim to have may lift you into serene regions above such matters, for most people such events are calamitous – affecting health, finance, trust, family, relationships, and more …. Perhaps their fingers tremble too greatly to tune into your kind of supreme ‘radio station’.

    I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Sai Baba knows He is not his body. Once a young man from Sweden requested Baba’s permission to give Baba a hug. When Baba obliged and the young man wrapped his arms around Baba’s torso, his arms wrapped around an empty robe  – there was no body to make contact with. I met this man personally.

    Jaani, I have long traveled. There are many such accounts along the pilgrim way, and on many paths, and even not on paths …. It is important not to be seduced by phenomena.

    Once in an interview I was touching Baba’s feet. He turned abruptly away in displeasure, because I had asked Him to take Al back, yet His feet did not move with the rest of His body. This would have been impossible had he not transcended nature’s laws in that moment.

    Can you think of no alternative explanation? There is various evidence that many people have extraordinarily apparently supraphenomenal experiences, both in his physical presence and far beyond it. Yet experiences beyond the reaches of our current scientific knowledge are documented throughout history. Go to this or that other e.g., ashram and one hears repeatedly of the extraordinary – except attributed to this or that guru/saint etc. Certainly, he has a strong intuitive psychic power, and yet does a lot of cold reading. Further, we have reports of servitors feeding him information gained from – to cite but one example – the front office, certain seva dals, his security and intelligence wing, and by other means! (Remaining Sai devotees, too, have caught him out, but lapse into silence about it). Whatever may be said of some phenomena, he has often been shown to ‘materialize’ objects that have been secreted under his cushion and other places. As but a small sample, see:

    Right Hand. Sleight Hand. Watch Sai Baba Cheat With Sacred Ash (Film clip) and

    BBC Cameras Catch Sai Baba Cheating With Gold Sivalingam. (Film Clip) and

    BBC and Other Film Footage Shows India’s Top Guru Sathya Sai Baba Faking Miracles

    (By the way, why would you want Al to be “taken back”. Isn’t Al right into cultivating the formless apprehension of the divine?)

    Barry

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    This series continues soon …..

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    Further Reading

    Dangerous to Rationalize Rape. A major Sathya Sai Baba Follower’s Example

    Barry Pittard Replies To Sathya Sai Center Rape Survivor’s Note To Him

    Will the Real Professor Alvin Drucker Be Upstanding?

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    Petition

    Public Petition For Official Investigations of Sathya Sai Baba and His Worldwide Organization

    There is a Spanish version available:

    PETICIÓN PÚBLICA PARA ”INVESTIGACIONES OFICIALES DE SATHYA SAI BABA Y SU ORGANIZACIÓN A NIVEL MUNDIAL

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    Reply To Claimer of Spiritual Enlightenment (Yaani Drucker Correspondence) Part 4

    Posted by Barry Pittard on February 26, 2010

    Continuing from: Reply To Claimer of Enlightenment (Jaani Drucker Correspondance) Part 3 …. , my response to Yaani Drucker, who claims on her website to be enlightened, and to “Have truth, will travel”. She wrote to me:

    “And when we know who we are, we will know a little better who Sai Baba is. So the task at hand is to know yourself, rather than spending your time trying to pin a crime on Sai Baba. However if you wish to pursue that course, Sai Baba does say Inimical Bhakti is the fastest path to truth, so I am sure it is serving the highest good”.

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         Note 1: Ms Drucker writes that  “I am happy to discuss and debate issues. I have responded to every issue you raised”. But she had clearly not so responded in the proper sense of the word. She failed to answer points of crucial importance to those who feel deeply betrayed by leading figures in the Sathya Sai Baba movement who have long known the goodness of those who came to them in their time of greatest need. Notable among those who let parents who came to them in shock is Yaani Drucker’s husband, Professor Al Drucker, once a scientist with NASA. Ms Drucker has – correctly – said to me that he is one person and she another. However, we have on excellent and compelling record (ready if need be to show any court of law or responsible media or other bona fide researchers that he knew of the gravity of the repeated direct reports concerning Sai Baba’s sexual abuse of boys and young men. She has written to me that she had only heard “rumors”. 

    Ms Drucker, with a quicksilver-like elusiveness, darts away from points. She gives over to vague abstractions, and leaves  trails of seriously undefined notions about how, if at all, her self-perceived spiritual enlightenment relates to people who need assistance with their traumas. She thinks she has the magic wand. Like other cultic apologists – but most assuredly without venom, it must be said! – she leaps to conclusion without understanding the nature of inferences, and the care needed to prevent them from being flawed. Her answers reveal no idea of what we have published, even though I have given her recondite Urls to a tiny portion of relevant documents. Those wishing to have more than one side to the Sathya Sai Baba phenomenon will require such information.  They will wish to think for themselves.

          Note 2: I had pointed out to Ms Drucker that it is important for survivors of severe trauma to seek qualified professional counseling, and also – bearing in mind that she is a public  figure – she has the responsibility correctly to model this kind of service to those who read her writings. One correspondent has written to me:

    “You are not attacking Yaani, but questioning and also criticising her, which is not the same thing at all. The ideas she is promoting cause harm to others most certainly.  But she is not aware of that, as she is on a one-tract Absolute Truth trip. She can’t afford self-examination on the matter, and thus will not follow up those who have been harmed by the one she promotes and whose teaching she parrots”.

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    Yaani Drucker’s statements and Barry Pittard’s responses:

    This assumes that psychology has answers that TRUTH does not. I would disagree. In fact I would go as far as to say the only way to come into right relationship with any and all past traumas is to understand truly who we are”.

    In actual fact, there is much impressive evidence that the body, mind and personality are one, not a dualism (ref. science of consciousness, neurology and philosophical neurology). Therefore, I want to say to you that notions which deny the interaction that goes on in the psycho-soma are very flawed, inept. And, yes, present their real dangers to human health and well-being. I do not resile from the notions of rationalization (in context) and danger.

    I pray night and day for the uplift of all humanity.

    Despite mammoth demonization of them, including by Sathya Sai Baba, many former devotees, too, pray as you do. They are also deeply involved in selfless service to others, as I have gathered that you are when I looked through your website. Others I’ve known of involved in the ‘Course of Miracles’ have those same deeply held attitudes and practices. Perhaps we have some former devotees involved in the ‘Course of Miracles’ – I would have to check. In any case, our range of social, cultural and educational backgrounds is tremendously wide.

    I want no one raped, ever. It was a humiliating and degrading experience. I would not wish anyone to undergo such an experience for any reason. It is not justifiable nor does it have any redeeming lessons. I did use it to discover that I am not my body, and that who I am cannot be touched. In that way, everything can be used. It was not necessary toward my enlightenment. And it happened. I do not deny that it happened. In fact quite the opposite, I speak openly about it, only in hopes of helping other women to prevent drawing such experiences to themselves. How? Through a shift in consciousness from body consciousness to God consciousness.

    Boys and men are raped too, may we add? And add, still further, that many individuals and families stricken by Sathya Sai Baba’s abuses have been shattered.

    The second error is that I am NOT  a major Sathya Sai Baba follower.

    Many Sai Baba devotees have held you as such, at least up until they learned that some changes (news of which swept wide sections of the world Sai community) overtook your Puttaparthi days. Your writings in which you refer to him in the highest terms could well convey that impression to your many admirers among the Sathya Sai fold. Your and Al’s talks – with your 1985 rape and the we-are-not-this-body themes being the focus – at Kingdom Hall in the UK in April 2000, for example, have been widely circulated, and a heroic status accorded to you. A sort of de facto ‘saint-making’ process goes on the devotees’ mind. It is a striking phenomenon, and I hope scholars and other professionals will study it.

    What is more, in your writings, and in your emails to me, you extol him. You say:

    “Sai Baba tells us there is no one more powerful than us”. And “Sai Baba has demonstrated powers of omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence. I am convinced of His divinity and that everything He does is in the service of the uplift of all. He knows the past, present and future of each of us, and He knows how to transform the world into a world of peace, love and joy for all. In order to understand Baba’s actions we have to hold the big picture… And when we know who we are, we will know a little better who Sai Baba is”.

    In writing to me, you still capitalize the word ‘Him’. Over the years, you keep citing him.

    In reality, supposed ‘Sai miracles’ have never been subjected to the slightest proper scientific investigation. They are purely a matter of belief – and perception strongly influenced by it, and are all still open to alternative explanations. One needs, surely, to be much more cognizant than you are of how such beliefs can be generated. Your experiences supposedly proving Sai Baba’s non-body identification remind strongly of subjective illusions. It is common for one person to experience such, and not anyone else who is present. This points to the extreme power of suggestion some call ‘deep-trance hypnosis’. Those who have worshipped him as God Incarnate and concentrated their lives on him – constantly focusing on him and his powers – are in a condition of very high suggestivity whenever they get near him, or often away from him, too. They are constantly thinking of him, looking at his pictures, singing his name, listening to or viewing tapes about him, talking with others of his ‘glories’ and ‘leelas’, and so on. Have you not seen ‘hypnotized’ subjects on stage mistaking people for chickens or what have you? Milton Eriksen, Derren Brown and countless others have demonstrated such ‘illusions’ most effectively. See: Derren Brown’s Magic Trumps Sathya Sai Baba’s and Sleight Of Hand. The Sleightness of Sathya Sai Baba (Exposing film clips) . Serial Sex Abuse And Broken Promises of Miracle Healing . Sathya Sai Baba’s Amazing Predictions . Sai Baba To Be Seen In Moon? But Where Was Moon?

    May I venture the idea that fearless looking at such information is a real test of the realized state in which you claim you live? Your website welcomes one to discuss and debate with you. I submit to you that the issues raised in these articles, to name but a few, are worthy candidates for such discussion and debate.

    Continued soon   …………

    Further Reading

    Dangerous to Rationalize Rape. A major Sathya Sai Baba Follower’s Example

    Barry Pittard Replies To Sathya Sai Center Rape Survivor’s Note To Him

    Will the Real Professor Alvin Drucker Be Upstanding?

    The Ways of the Mind – on the issue by a Swedish psychologist

    Strawberry Fields Forever? plus comments on Jaani & advaitic doctrine

    The Spiritual Search – a philosophical analysis of advaitic solipsism and social narcissism

    God is everything, in everyone – as a spiritual teaching

    Advaita – historical flight into abstraction and speculation

    Petition

    Public Petition For Official Investigations of Sathya Sai Baba and His Worldwide Organization

    There is a Spanish version available:

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    Reply To Claimer of Spiritual Enlightenment (Yaani Drucker Correspondence) Part 3

    Posted by Barry Pittard on February 24, 2010

    Continuing from: Reply To Claimer of Enlightenment (Yaani Drucker Correspondance) Part 2 …. , my response to Yaani Drucker, who claims on her website to be enlightened, and to “Have truth, will travel”. She has explained that her “rape experience happened in 1985, in a house next to the Stanton Sai Center, on the same property as the  Sai center in S. California”. 

    I have suggested to Yaani (who, by the way, strikes me as a decent and goodly person, albeit given to a terribly faulty inferences, and a tendency to be rather reactive), that those who have had such traumatic experiences need to reach out to an experienced, qualified profession, and that, in terms of public health outcomes, it is a dangerous undertaking to recommend a course of action which relies on faith or notions of enlightenment alone. She replied:

    “Is it necessary for a rape victim to receive professional counseling? This assumes that psychology/ psychotherapy has answers that ABSOLUTE TRUTH does not”.

    In one of her emails to me, she says:

    “Anyone who has an ego, which everyone has except those who have attained enlightenment,  is in a state of denial, denial about the truth of who they are, and that includes most professionals. Just because someone has a PhD does not make him/her an expert in what is or is not enlightenment …

    … I credit Sai Baba for my enlightenment, and it is in part because He was instrumental in my awakening that I am certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that He is who He claims to be”.

    In fact, mental health professionals certainly do know a great deal about the mind’s coping tendencies. For example how, as a coping mechanism, it can ‘rationalize’ away painful experiences, such as rape. However, she is very dismissive about the role of psychologists. Would she deny the validity of the intervention of a doctor in the case of a broken arm? I would think not. Even if she were to be in some realized state, it would be proper to cognize these facts, given that she makes public recommendations about how to deal, via faith in a process, with situations like rape. What does this process require? It requires the giving up of ego. See Robert Priddy’s and his wife Reidun’s useful reference to this aspect:  Jaani Drucker: ‘the Ego’ misundertood and self-nihilation

    In short, it would surely be responsible of Yaani Drucker to understand that people simply cannot do away with the ego in the way she – I think out of keen compassion – wishes for the rest of humanity. I think she sees the notion of ‘ego’ in a very simplistic, blank-and-white way. People DO need professional assistance in the face of ordeals of the sort that she has passed through, no less that those with broken bones need the services of a doctor, and this fact needs to be reflected in the way in which she promotes, as she does on the internet, her services.

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    Note 1. Ms Drucker writes that  “I am happy to discuss and debate issues. I have responded to every issue you raised”. We shall further see, based on her own responses, in the next posts whether she has. I submit that her self-documentation – in which, a number of times, she draws attention to what she views as her own “purity of heart” –  is very exposing of how Sathya Sai Baba so strongly misleads others into misleading still others.

    Note 2. Ms Drucker dismisses and scorns ‘clinical psychology’ as 
    if that were the whole of it. But there are many branches of 
    psychological investigation and professional therapies, all of which 
    are aware of  reactions to the traumatic experience she endured. There is 
    analytic psychology, ego psychology, existential psychology,  
    ( Wikipedia lists 66 types of psychological theory) . Common to the 
    main branches and many others is an understanding of the nature and 
    importance of reactions like ‘rationalization’, ‘repression, 
    ‘displacement activity’. ‘obsession’ , ‘delusions of grandeur’, ‘post 
    traumatic stress disorder’, ‘narcissistic defence’ and a wide range of
    cognitive and mental 
    disorders which can be triggered by traumas and other hurtful and 
    deeply disturbing experiences.

    Note 3. Earlier articles on this topic at Call For Media and Government Investigation of Sathya Sai Baba are:

    Dangerous to Rationalize Rape. A major Sathya Sai Baba Follower’s Example and

    Barry Pittard Replies To Sathya Sai Center Rape Survivor’s Note To Him

    Will the Real Professor Alvin Drucker Be Upstanding?

    The Ways of the Mind – on the issue by a Swedish psychologist

    Strawberry Fields Forever? plus comments on Jaani & advaitic doctrine

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    (Yaani Drucker): There are many distortions in your assumptions. I do not rationalize rape.

    I am thankful for your comment here – it reminds me that, in my writing, I shall need to make very clear distinction concerning uses of the word ‘rationalization’. It does not mean, of course, justification. That you would never justify it is abundantly clear in your writings on your website, and in your emails to me. Indeed, you fully supported the notion that the man who raped you should face police prosecution. Rather, the ‘rationalization’ process I have in mind is that described in so many schools of psychotherapy, psychology and psychiatry. It is what the mind does when an individual goes through significant trauma. One example is a retreat into euphoric states, with strong presentations that all is well. A quick pointer is the Wiki article entitled: ‘Rationalization (fallacy)’.

    You refer to your inimical attitudes towards psychologists in your last email. But my point is this:  even if you were correct in saying that you are spiritually enlightened, and had successfully transcended trauma, is it reasonable to suppose that individuals at large can reach such a state, and can dispense with psychological or other trauma counseling? This is where your quick dispatch of psychologists etc., in your last email is concerning. Is it not a point that you will need to be very clear about? And to discuss with rigorous thinking-through of issues, especially given that you are a public person? I see a danger, and it has nothing to do with any notion of about lying. At the center the rationalization process is a powerful unconsciousness of the contradictions and dissonances.

    In the field of psychological trauma, one of the grave concerns is this:  that there are many who genuinely, but mistakenly, think they have – e.g., via ‘higher’ revelation or one sort of ‘awakening’ or another – the answers, and, what is more, thus become role models to others. On your website, you say ‘have truth, will travel’. So many other websites of individuals on so many other paths make like claims. Who can distinguish between those of you who claim realization? How can one get around to testing the plethora of claims? However, there is a body of clinical experience which DOES have testability in application to trauma, and this is being applied day in and day out in hospitals and clinics throughout the world. The question is:  are your pages, in this light, responsible? In your last email, you said: “Is it necessary for a rape victim to receive professional counseling?”

    To Be Continued Soon ….. 

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    Further Reading

    Dangerous to Rationalize Rape. A major Sathya Sai Baba Follower’s Example

    Barry Pittard Replies To Sathya Sai Center Rape Survivor’s Note To Him

    Will the Real Professor Alvin Drucker Be Upstanding?

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    Petition

    Public Petition For Official Investigations of Sathya Sai Baba and His Worldwide Organization

    There is a Spanish version available:

    PETICIÓN PÚBLICA PARA ”INVESTIGACIONES OFICIALES DE SATHYA SAI BABA Y SU ORGANIZACIÓN A NIVEL MUNDIAL

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    Reply To Claimer of Enlightenment (Yaani Drucker Correspondence) Part 2

    Posted by Barry Pittard on February 22, 2010

    Continuing from: Reply To Claimer of Spiritual Enlightenment (Yaani Drucker Correspondence) Part 1 Posted by Barry Pittard on February 20, 2010 …. , my response to Jaani Drucker, who claims both in correspondence and on her website to be enlightened, and to: “Have truth, will travel”. In an email to me, she says:

    “Baba demonstrates that He clearly manipulates the laws of physical reality, because He can”.

    In another email to me, she says:

    “Sai Baba has demonstrated powers of omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence. I am convinced of His divinity and that everything He does is in the service of the uplift of all. He knows the past, present and future of each of us, and He knows how to transform the world into a world of peace, love and joy for all”.

    She put the question to me:

    “Is it necessary for a rape victim to receive professional counseling? This assumes that psychology/ psychotherapy has answers that ABSOLUTE TRUTH does not“.

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    Note: Ms Drucker writes that  “I am happy to discuss and debate issues. I have responded to every issue you raised”. But she has clearly not responded either in the spirit or the letter of this claim. There is no happiness. Despite the fact that she claims to be spiritually realized and gives workshops and writes on spiritual transcendence, there is no rising above the hebdomadal. Hers is an emotive and churlish reaction. The following is but a sample:

    “You are simply not getting it. I have no stomach for defending myself against people who are threatened by my truth. I just have not time for it. If you had come to me without baggage we could hope for a debate. As only as you keep your junk on the internet in public view I will conclude that YOU are not open to honest dialogue”.

    Her concerns are centered on herself, and certainly suggest the sort of narcissism referred to my very qualified and experienced psychotherapist friend who wrote:

    … “My additional reaction to Yaani Drucker’s account of the rape is that if she can use her faith and spiritual references to overcome the trauma, then she is fortunate.  Such coping behavior is successful for her. (- not to imply that it would be successful for others). There is a psychoanalytic term, “Narcissistic Defense” which can explain how people turn  negative feelings into positive ones)”.

    Jaani Drucker is a public person with a website, a book and a workshop schedule. Before I responded to her emails that came via this https://barrypittard.wordpress.com , I did a reality check and sent what I had written to several individuals of professional background, who are perfectly ready to criticize me if need be. I do not think any sensible and perceptive reader will perceive in at all the same terms as Jaani Drucker has perceived in her reaction to what I have written. She writes:

    ” I wonder whether you would consider removing your discrediting and unkind words? If so, perhaps there would be the possibility of an honest debate. Until then you demonstrate that you have already drawn your conclusion, that I am a dangerous energy that you need to protect others from, etc.”

    My attempt was, in a polite way, to say that I thought her claims were excessive and to point out their consequences in the real world. If she wants to propagate her Truth, then she must expect that others will comment on it, and not necessarily accept it. She claims her good name is besmirched. But no,  if anything her good name is under question because of her support of Sathya Sai Baba, against whom evidence of many abuses (and not sexual ones alone) are subject to a great deal of evidence from many parts of the world. A world-class investigator, the BBC, in its many months of huge research for ‘The Secret Swami‘, interviewed many parents and others who alleged Sathya Sai Baba’s sexual abuse of young males, and other charges. The Assistant Producer, David Saville, told me that the researchers had found other primary witnesses of young male sexual abuse and that their names did not occur on our (extensive, international) lists.

    Jaani Drucker defended Sai Baba on the formality that he has escaped justice. This is intellectually dishonest (though I get a sense that she does not mean to be). One would have thought that, via her contact with India and many Indians, she knows that the ashram officials and the entire Indian system of corrupt politicians and judges who worship Sai Baba have protected him from all accountability! As will later be seen, she says she only knows of “rumors” of Sai Baba’s sexual abuse. But she did not say whether she knows from her husband Alvin Drucker that many parents have complained to him of sexual abuse by Sai Baba. I pointed out to her that we have very reliable documentation. (I shall post soon what I cited to her).

    How can she expect those whom she once knew and respected as Sai brothers and sisters to respect her when she will not answer such questions properly?

    She has yet more recently sent me documents showing that she is a good person, as if this were the issue. It is not. Again the self-absorption and unwillingness to entertain that the many who have questioned Sai Baba’s conduct are good people too. Of course, like any of us (though we do not claim spiritual realization), she can have good intentions, and heart and decency and yet all the while be wholly misguided, and unwilling to face inconvenient facts or reply to pertinent and honest questioning in a coherent way.

    I entirely refute her implication that “honest debate” is not possible in the public arena. She would be correct, of course, in the case of communication with fools who are nasty, and I leave the reader to judge whether I am of that ilk.

    To be continued ….

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    Barry Pittard responds to earlier email of Jaani Drucker:

    Can you understand how your website appears to promote a ‘solution’ to the rape question – quite strongly – e.g., “Have truth, will travel“? Several people, including very qualified mental health professionals with long experience in the sexual abuse area, have observed how your website can be too readily interpreted as campaigning for recognition that rape and other terrible occurrences have an ideal answer. That is to say – if only people will follow what you hold to be truth. It may be that you cannot accept that you have – and I think without meaning to – promoted a very misleading ‘theory’ based entirely on belief. And this belief is one from which you may not be able to free yourself, for, if you were to free yourself without recourse to an in-denial situation, you would have to face the trauma.

    You now explain that it was not to justify rape, but that it was to explain that rape is not really a problem if one will just recognize that one is not the body. This view goes against the fact that we all HAVE a body and violations of it have an extremely forceful effect on the psyche.

    Jaani Drucker: It is something you would find in the Enquirer – I don’t know if you know what that is. It is a gossip magazine that digs up sensationalism to entice its readers.

    Barry Pittard: I have heard of that appalling magazine. If you see mere gossip in what I have written, I think objective readers will not agree with you. I would make the same observation about the output of the most prominent writers critical of Sathya Sai Baba and his apologists – Robert Priddy, Brian Steel and the independent British author on religion and philosophy Kevin R.D. Shepherd or at https://barrypittard.wordpress.com or in the many who have left the Sathya Sai Organization (including major leaders). See:

    The Late Leo Boogaard: A Dutch Voice of Conscience On Sathya Sai Baba

    Stephen Carthew, A Voice of Testimony From Australia, On The Dangers of Cults

    Sathya Sai Baba Critic Serguei Badaev: An Incisive Voice of Conscience From Russia

    Letter from Stephen Carthew

    Alaya Rahm’s Lawsuit vs Sathya Sai Society of America. (Joint Statement by the International JuST Group and the Rahm family (Al Rahm was one of the foremost of top leaders in the SS Org.)

    Al Rahm’s Explanatory Letter To Sathya Sai Baba Internet Proxy Gerald Moreno

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    Select Further Reading

    Dangerous to Rationalize Rape. A major Sathya Sai Baba Follower’s Example

    Barry Pittard Replies To Sathya Sai Center Rape Survivor’s Note To Him

    Will the Real Professor Alvin Drucker Be Upstanding?

    The Ways of the Mind – on the issue by a Swedish psychologist

    Strawberry Fields Forever? plus comments on Jaani & advaitic doctrine

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    Petition

    Public Petition For Official Investigations of Sathya Sai Baba and His Worldwide Organization

    There is a Spanish version available:

    PETICIÓN PÚBLICA PARA ”INVESTIGACIONES OFICIALES DE SATHYA SAI BABA Y SU ORGANIZACIÓN A NIVEL MUNDIAL

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    Reply To Claimer of Spiritual Enlightenment (Yaani Drucker Correspondence) Part 1

    Posted by Barry Pittard on February 20, 2010

    Below, I respond to Yaani Drucker – who initially wrote to me. For many years, she and her husband Professor Al Drucker (formerly with NASA) have been hero-worshipped by many Sathya Sai devotees worldwide. Although not now formal members of the Sathya Sai Organization, their impact continues to hold a spell for many Sai devotees who have access to media containing their talks and writings. Ms Drucker has a website:  Not Guilty: Undoing The Illusion of Separate Existence. In the Services, Products and Related Links section,  she states:

    “Connect any time to ask questions, participate in dynamic discussions or debates on the teachings of Sai Baba, ACIM and the Torah/Bible”.

    The reader who follows this correspondence may soon be able to guage whether this claim is genuine.

    Previous recent articles on this topic at Call For Media and Government Investigation of Sathya Sai Baba are: Dangerous to Rationalize Rape. A major Sathya Sai Baba Follower’s Example and Barry Pittard Replies To Sathya Sai Center Rape Survivor’s Note To Him

    Ms Drucker claims to be enlightened, and says on her website: “Have truth, will travel”

    She has made some facts very clear, although readers may decide whether I am correct in saying that she veers (I think not with deliberate dishonesty) away from key points that I have made. Certainly, she and I have a very different view when she says:

    “Is it necessary for a rape victim to receive professional counseling? This assumes that psychology/ psychotherapy has answers that ABSOLUTE TRUTH does not”.

    One the other hand, she makes clear that she is not one of those who claim:  God is in all, therefore a perpetrator is really God in disguise. She says:

    “The perpetrator is one’s brother for we are all brothers and sisters, thus one is responsibility to help him come into alignment with who he is. I saw that putting my rapist in jail was better than letting him stay free to hurt others. If I had not acted and he had raped another woman, I would have been complicit as I see it”.

    No matter how badly Sathya Sai Baba has treated the Druckers, many Sai devotees around the world regard the couple as recipients of his infinite, mysterious, subtle and untold ‘Grace’, nonetheless.

    Note: Ms Drucker writes that  “I am happy to discuss and debate issues. I have responded to every issue you raised”. But is she happy to discuss and debate? And has she responded to every issue that I have raised?

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    From: jaani drucker

    Dear Barry,

    Just look at your heading “Dangerous to Rationalize Rape. A major Sathya Sai Baba Follower’s Example.”

    (Barry Pittard in reply):  This title refers to my view about the psychological state of being in self-protective denial. It exactly states my topic. Singularly inappropriate would have been to use euphemisms. ‘Dangerous’ refers to my view that, in the face of severe physical and psychological trauma, there is a danger implicit in modeling faith alone as the answer, without resort to well-qualified professional counseling.

    A friend of mine, a psychotherapist with long experience in abuse matters, has just noted:

    “My personal feeling is that no amount of rational persuasion can alter something as strong as one’s faith-based explanation.  Faith, usually supersedes the thinking mind in people who have been conditioned over time to rely on it. My additional reaction to Yaani Drucker’s account of the rape is that if she can use her faith and spiritual references to overcome the trauma, then she is fortunate.  Such coping behavior is successful for her. (- not to imply that it would be successful for others). There is a psychoanalytic term, “Narcissistic Defense” which can explain how people turn  negative feelings into positive ones)”.

    In my email to you, I pointed out that, contrary to what you wrote, it is entirely clear that I never portrayed you as a “dangerous liar”. These were your words and assumption. It is a matter of substance, but you have not addressed this point – which any reader can verify simply by reading the words that were really on the page. See:  Dangerous to Rationalize Rape. A major Sathya Sai Baba Follower’s Example and Barry Pittard Replies To Sathya Sai Center Rape Survivor’s Note To Him . It is useful to address a point, rather than to quicksilver across to something other. In your emails, I sense a veering-away, a side-stepping of more than one point that I have raised. I may add that such a tendency is often observed in those in deep denial. There is a reactiveness, and it commonly does not relate to conscious dishonesty, but rather to ‘stuffs’ that are hard to face square-on.

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    To Be Continued soon ……

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    Select Further Reading

    Will the Real Professor Alvin Drucker Be Upstanding?

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    Petition

    Public Petition For Official Investigations of Sathya Sai Baba and His Worldwide Organization

    There is a Spanish version available:

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    Sathya Sai Organization: World Communities Need To Treat This Sect Cautiously

    Posted by Barry Pittard on April 30, 2009

    Typical of cultists (which they deny themselves to be), the key leaders of the international Sathya Sai Organization are highly secretive, authoritarian and unaccountable.

    They know:

    • That there has been profound cover up of countless responsibly-made allegations of spiritual and moral betrayal
    • The quality, and years of dedicated service, of many families and individuals who have gone to them with deeply distressing concerns about Sai Baba’s immoral conduct with boys and young men, cover up of murders in his bedroom, and other crimes.
    • That the top echelon exerts strong pressure to ensure that the allegations are not discussed

    The BBC’s appellation ‘the secret swami’ was entirely apt. Sathya Sai Baba and his leaders speak constantly of Truth, Right Conduct, Peace, Love and Non-Violence (Sathya, Dharma, Shanti, Prema, Ahimsa).  Many within the Sathya Sai Organization know perfectly well that devotees have often been shocked by the unspirituality, callousness and authoritarian behaviour by many core leaders hand-picked by Sai Baba himself.

    These leaders, and their often unsuspecting and decent rank-and-file, would link up with you, smile happily with you, act in a manner that has every appearance of professional and ethical responsibility. They seek to enter into shared endeavours with you in regard to your schools, universities, civic,  religious, cultural and sporting organizations, your municipal, state and central governments, etc. They do worthy works of social uplift, but in fact they have agendas that they keep from you. That is to say,  salient information – that you have every right to know – they keep under tight seals of prohibition as instructed by the guru and his core servitors. They do not tell you that:  Sathya Sai Baba claims to be the fullest incarnation of Godhood ever to have visited earth. Or that he has said he will rule the world before he leaves it circa 2022.  Officials are told not to mention it in their public interfaces.

    Just a few of the plush venues in which the Sathya Sai Organization pursues its recruitments (although it will not use this factual word) have included:

    Cooper’s Union, New York; Town Hall, Melbourne; Copley International Conference Center, San Diego; Super Dome, Sydney; La Mirada Theatre, Hilton Ballroom (both Los Angeles); Sheraton Hotel & Towers, Chicago; Copley International Conference Center, San Diego; Super Dome, Sydney, etc.

    We are reliably informed that the cult has furthered its purposes in nodes of great power such as the United Nations and the White House, and among leading politicians and powerbrokers around the world.

    Select Readings

    Sai Organization’s Spending Spree In Super Dome, Sydney

     ‘Secret Swami’ Cult Recruits At Prime Public Venues

     The BBC’s ‘The Secret Swami’ – A Revision 

    BBC Hidden Camera in ‘Secret Swami’. Ethical?

     Sathya Sai Baba and his Organization Permit Attacks On Ex-followers

    Golden Throne of India’s Sathya Sai Baba. He says he will Rule the world soon

                  Some Video Resources    

                  The Secret Swami (BBC Television):               (154 MB, Broadband)   

    Seduced (DR, Danish Broadcasting, Denmark’s national television and radio broadcaster):
    (80 MB, Broadband)    http://home.hetnet.nl/~seduced/seduced.wmv
    (21 MB, Modem)   

    Right Hand. Sleight Hand. Watch Sai Baba Cheat With Sacred Ash (Film clip)

     BBC and Other Film Footage Shows India’s Top Guru Sathya Sai Baba Faking Miracles

     BBC Footage Exposes Fake Sathya Sai Baba Miracle « Call For Media and Government Investigation

     ‘The Secret Swami’ showcased with selected transcripts and brief
    video clips
      

    Sathya Sai Baba Chief, Dr Goldstein, Explodes. “I am the consummate professional” (See Film Clips)

    Raising ever more serious questions about how spiritual is the international head of what Sathya Sai Baba has called THE divine organization in the world

    Dr Michael Goldstein. Love All Serve All

    Michael Goldstein explodes with anger (710kbs)

    at the BBC’s perfectly reasonable questions about accountability

    Dr. Goldstein again reveals his higher self (1.500Kb)

    Michael Goldstein and the sexual allegations (2,10 Mbs)

    Michael Goldstein admits his view is merely a belief (456kbs)

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    Wider Resources  

     Sathya Sai Baba: ‘Considerable Concern’ In Wider Hindu Community   

     Sathya Sai Organization: World Communities Need To Treat This Sect Cautiously   

    Will World Accept Sathya Sai Baba? He Says Yes. Very Soon    

     Has ‘World Saviour’ Missed His Plane?   

    The Decline and Fall of the Showman Empire

    Sai Baba Exchequer Worth Billions. Many Countries Donate

     Self-documented Folly of India’s Would-be God 

    The Sathya Sai Organisation’s Deception and Propaganda Exposed.  Article by Robert Priddy (former leader of SS Org., Sweden) and Barry Pittard (former lecturer at Sathya Sai College, Whitefield).  Part One Two Three Four  Quote:  

     “The foes of the ‘open society’ (Sir Karl Popper’s term) are those who use its very openness to achieve their closed and devious ends. Sai Baba and his highly authoritarian and cultist organisation have such ends, which critics have tried to make known. Its foremost leaders silence all those who question it- and never face substantive criticisms. For the first time – after six years of pained and guilty silence – since hundreds of long-term devotees left it in disgust – the Sathya Sai Organisation has found it necessary to try to defuse the debate about Sathya Sai Baba’s alleged crimes, deceits and fraudulence. Dr. Venkataraman’s tendentious cover-up article expresses untruths which have long circulated within the cult, giving an opportunity to confront him with facts and truth”  

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